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Other Basketball Hall of Fame Cases

Tuesday, May 7th, 2019

by Gus Griffin

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My position on Vlade Divac being a Hall of Famer generated a robust discussion. I stand against his Hall of Fame selection but appreciate the opposing perspectives. Let us look at five others who are NOT in the Basketball Hall of Fame (HOF) and make a determination.

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Before we began, let me clarify my thinking on the matter. The HOF, regardless of the sport, is an individual honor and not a team honor. I therefore give much more weight to what a player has done individually. I always feel if the first evidence presented for a player’s HOF credentials are team based, it is a good chance that he has a borderline to weak case.

Therefore, here are my reviews:

2001: Chris Webber#4 of the Sacramento Kings soars to the basket for a slam dunk against of the Portland Trail Blazers during the NBA Game at The Rose Garden in Portland, Oregon. NOTE TO USER: User expressly acknowledges and agrees that, by downloading and/or using this Photograph, User is consenting to the terms and conditions of the Getty Images License Agreement.  Mandatory copyright notice:  Copyright 2001 NBAE   Mandatory Credit: Sam Forencich /NBAE/Getty Images

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Chris Webber: YES! 20.7 points, 9.8 rebounds, and over 4 assists are numbers alone that warrant HOF induction. However, Webber’s impact is much bigger than stats. He grew up in Michigan watching 6’8” Magic Johnson at Michigan State prove that a big man need not be restricted to paint play. I believe that greatly influenced his game and notion of what was possible for a big man and would eventually make him a pioneer of what we call today the “stretch four”. While I do not like what the trend has taken away in the traditional back to the basket post player, its impact cannot be denied. Also, being the best player on the “FAB 5” at Michigan showed how quickly a college player can be pro-ready. Throw in fashion with the baggy shorts and Webber’s impact and contributions are easily HOF worthy.

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Robert Horry: NO! 7 points, 4.8 rebounds. Yes, he earned the nickname “Big Shot Rob” for his exploits in Houston and Los Angeles. No, he was not just along for the ride on seven NBA title teams. However, consider the big men whom he had the fortune to play with; Olajuwon in Houston, Shaq in L.A., and Duncan in San Antonio. Why is that important? Because they insured that no team had the luxury to game plan for Horry hitting a three. They also gave the team the flexibility to allow Horry to spread the floor. It is no coincidence that his least productive stop was in Phoenix, where they had no such interior presence. Furthermore, Horry, though listed as a power forward, never averaged over eight rebounds a game. He was one of the early stretch fours and a great accessory, but not a Hall of Famer. His individual body of work just does not measure up.

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Lou Hudson: YES! 20.2 points, a nearly 80% FT shooter, and nearly 49% FG. He had multiple seasons during which he shot over 50%, while averaging over 25 points. Of the 12 other non-post players to do this, only Mark Aguirre is not in the HOF. Hudson was amazingly efficient. In fact, those 20.2 points per game came on barely 17 shots per game, which is among the greatest efficiency rates ever. I am at a loss for why Hudson is not already in the HOF. My only guess is that he played in the NBA purgatory called Atlanta and after several early career playoff seasons, the team was not very good. He was a 6-time All-Star with the pre-Dominique Wilkins Hawks. He finished his career with the Lakers…a year before they drafted Magic and won the NBA title. He had multiple years averaging over six rebounds a game from the guard position.

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Tom Chambers: NO! 18.1 points and 6.1 rebounds. A four-time All-Star and All-Star Game MVP in 1987. He was a very good NBA scorer…and not much else.

Though listed as a power forward, he averaged over eight rebounds only once in his entire career. One cannot explain that away by calling him an early stretch four because he barely shot 30% from 3-point land. Chambers was a classic one trick pony…a good trick…but one trick nonetheless.

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Chauncey Billups: MAYBE! 15.2 points, 5.4 assists, nearly 90% FT. I must admit when I first chose Billups to review, my inkling was no. I thought of him much as I did Horry, which is to say a great situational support player that benefited from being on a great team.

I was wrong.

I did not realize how good he was in Denver after leaving Detroit. Nor did I realize that he was a five-time All-Star and two-time All-Defensive Team player. Finally, he was the 2004 Finals MVP. Though his overall numbers are not great, his case is stronger than I initially thought.

There are so many more to consider; Kevin Johnson, Bobby Dandridge, Rasheed and Ben Wallace as players, and how about Rick Adelman and George Karl as coaches?

So, have at it and tell me where AND WHY I am wrong or right?

I will come up with a list of baseball players to review in October during its postseason.

 

Gus Griffin, for War Room Sports

Vlade Divac a Hall of Famer?

Wednesday, April 24th, 2019

by Gus Griffin

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Vlade Divac was a good NBA player. He averaged a double-double (double digits in points and rebounds) during 3 different seasons. He was one of the greatest passing centers in the history of the game. Late in his career he averaged over 5 assist per game. Any player, not a point guard, who averages over 5 assists is exceptional. There are more a than a few current NBA teams that would love to have Vlade Divac as their center today.

Recently, Divac got “the call”, which in professional sports lingo is to say, he has been elected to the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame.

Vlade Divac is not even remotely worthy of being a Hall of Famer!

The Hall of Fame is supposed to be for the game’s greatest players. Divac was not even one of the greatest players of his time, much less all time. He was an NBA All-Star a grand total of once! In addition, while he was indeed a great passing center, his primary legacy was his affliction with OFD (Obsessive Flop Disorder). No single player is more responsible for the NBA adopting fake flop awareness more than Vlade Divac.

VD LADivac came into the league with my Lakers for the 1989-90 season to replace Kareem Abdul Jabbar as the team’s center. My Lakers have a long and glorious history of centers from Mikan to Chamberlain to Jabbar to Shaq. I did not accidently omit Divac from that list. The following is a list of that year’s upper echelon centers: Akeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, and Brad Daugherty, all without question better than Divac. Even Moses Malone and Robert Parish were still playing at a level higher than Divac ever did. Over the next 15 years, the course of Divac’s career, Shaquille O’Neal, Alonzo Mourning, Dikembe Mutombo, Tim Duncan, Rasheed Wallace, and Yao Ming would enter the league, overlapping Olajuwon, Robinson, and Ewing. In other words, there was NEVER a time when Divac was a top 5 center in the league. How can that possibly translate to being a Hall of Famer?

Divac was traded after the 1996 season to the Hornets for the rights to a pick that would become Kobe Bryant. Other than that, and replacing Jabbar, his claim to fame can be best described as a hood ornament on the Cadillac of other great players, specifically Magic and Worthy in LA and Chris Webber in Sacramento. He was a good hood ornament…but a hood ornament nonetheless.

Speaking of Chris Webber, adding insult to injury in this whole episode, is the fact that Divac will be getting in before Webber. In addition to being as exceptional of a passer from the power forward position as there ever was, Webber was .2 rebounds short of averaging 20-10 for his career.

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The statistical basis for those who support Divac as a Hall of Famer is that he is one of seven players with at least 13,000 points, 9,000 rebounds, 3,000 assists, and 1,500 blocked shots. The other six are either in the Hall of Fame or sure bets to get in eventually.

 

Sounds impressive right? It is actually cleverly misleading and an artificially exclusive list for the following two reasons:

 

1) The unique stat is blocked shots, which were not tracked before the 1973-74 season; and

 

2) It does not consider ABA stats. What this means is that the list is actually longer than seven players, and surely has more than a few who, like Divac, were good, but not Hall of Fame caliber.

 

There are always debates about a player or two’s Hall of Fame credentials, regardless of the sport. Many did not feel that Harold Baines was deserving in baseball and I too was surprised. But at least one can find career comps to that of Harold Baines that are already in such as Orlando Cepeda and Tony Perez. I cannot think of any NBA center comp that would warrant even consideration of Divac. The best comp I could come up with is a player named Billy Paulz. Paulz came up in the ABA in 1971. He averaged a double-double his first 4 years in the league and 5 years overall. He was a 3-time All-Star. He compares to Divac for scoring, rebounds, and assist as follows:

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Divac was a better passer but Paulz was the better rim protector, actually leading the ABA in blocked shots during the 1975-76 season. Other than those two distinctions, they were virtually the same player. Billy Paulz was a good player but not Hall of Fame worthy, and neither is Vlade Divac.

This is not some anti-European player rant. In five years, the greatest European player ever will go into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot and no one will object or debate because Dirk Nowitzki was better than pretty good. He was great and that is what the Hall of Fame is supposed to be about.

So the question is how did this happen? The international wing of the Hall of Fame elected Divac, which is as much about the marketing of their players as their qualifications for induction. I don’t blame them for advocating for their guys. It’s the Hall of Fame itself that needs to look at this. I make no argument against Divac belonging in the [international basketball] FIBA Hall of Fame. He probably does. I make no case against the Kings retiring his number for being a cornerstone on one of the most exciting teams in league history. He was. But the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame? Let’s not get carried away! SMDH

 

Gus Griffin, for War Room Sports