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Time to Grant Hall of Fame Pardons to the Old Raiders

Wednesday, August 21st, 2019

by Gus Griffin

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Yet another old Raider has passed away without getting his just NFL Hall of Fame (HOF) call.

This time it was wide receiver Cliff Branch at the age of 71. A few years ago, it was his longtime quarterback (QB) Kenny “Snake” Stabler, whom was not inducted until after death.

Along with Bob Hayes, Branch, more than any other track athlete, made the successful transition to impact NFL receiver. He was one of the most feared deep threats of his era and unlike Renaldo Nehemiah, whom the 49ers attempted to convert, Branch could actually catch.

The case for Branch is so simple, even a die-hard Steeler fan who hated the local Northern California Raiders at the height of their storied 70s rivalry, can acknowledge its merits. I can say without hesitation that Branch was as every bit as good as Steelers HOF receiver Lynn Swann. His career numbers are better and he certainly had more longevity.

There has been a disturbing trend of former Raiders with legitimate, though debatable, HOF claims, who have died without getting the call.

The list includes the following:

 

  • Defensive End Lyle Alzado passed away in 1992. He was a Raider in mindset long before coming to the team. His pass rushing was elite, but difficult to document because the stats were not kept until 1982, which was the later part of his career. During that strike-shortened 9 game season of 1982, Alzado had 7 sacks as a pass rushing specialist;
  • Safety Jack Tatum died in 2010 and was simply one of the most intimidating players in NFL history. He laid the groundwork for other hard-hitting safeties, such as Ronnie Lott, Kenny Easley, and Sean Taylor. All were better players than Tatum, but Tatum held his own with 37 career interceptions, including a career-high 7 in his final season. They called him “The Assassin”;
  • Tight End Todd Christensen passed away in 2013 and was a 5-time Pro Bowler, with numbers remarkably similar to those of fellow Raider Dave Casper, who is in the HOF and whom he replaced. He led the league in receptions twice.

Then there is offensive lineman Steve Wisnewski, who at least is alive, and was an 8-time Pro-Bowler.

A case can be made for Tom Flores being one of only 3 men to both play for and be head coach on a Super Bowl (SB) winning team. He was among the first Latino starting QBs. My apprehension on Flores is his unremarkable Seattle coaching tenure. His induction would bring other 2-time situational SB winning coaches like George Seifert and Mike Shanahan screaming bloody murder, and neither of them is deserving.

Then there are those Raiders that their fan base lobby for without merit, to include Lester Hayes and Jim Plunkett.

Hayes had 20 interceptions in a two-year period to include 13 in 1980, when he won Defensive Player of the Year. Here is the secret about corners with a lot of interceptions: it tells you that offenses know that they can be beat. HOF corners Deion Sanders, Darryl Green, and Mike Haynes never led the league in interceptions. Why? Because QB’s knew the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze. The Raiders would learn of Hayes’ flaws after 1980, when the league would outlaw the stickem Hayes used excessively. It led them to acquire Haynes in 1983. From that point forward, Hayes never had to cover a number 1 receiver.

Jim Plunkett was one of the truly great comeback stories in NFL history in 1980. Nothing can ever take that away. He is also among the first known Native American QBs. With that being said, he has one of the most absurd HOF cases I have ever heard. He is a classic example of giving an individual player too much credit for team/organizational accomplishments. Plunkett did not win 2 Super Bowls. The Raiders teams of which he was the QB did. Yes, he was MVP against the Eagles, but that award could have as easily gone to linebacker Rod Martin, who had 3 interceptions. He was selected to go to a total of zero pro bowls. At no time was Jim Plunkett one of the best QBs in football. Raiders fans exaggerate about Jim Plunkett the way Black Washington fans exaggerate about Doug Williams. Both were social trailblazers to some extent, and in the right place at the right time and played exceptionally well in the Super Bowl. It doesn’t make either of them Hall of Famers.

There are three primary reasons for the reluctance to recognize the Raiders. The first is the large shadow of my Pittsburgh Steelers. During the 70s the Steelers won 4 SBs to the Raiders 1 and held a 3-2 playoff edge on the Raiders. Simply put, the better team’s players have been recognized more. Steelers HOF linebacker Jack Ham was honest enough to admit that were he not a Steeler, he might not be in the HOF. The same can be said of several Celtics in the basketball HOF. The second reason is their “over the line” style of play, which many called “dirty”. I personally think that this is unfair. Short of safety George Atkinson’s assault on Swann, the Raiders were no “dirtier” than my Steelers, the 85 Bears, the Parcells era Giants, Shannahan’s cut blocking Broncos, or Buddy Ryan’s Eagles. They did embrace the image more than anyone else and I suspect that turned some HOF voters off.

fg0jrpoyoqt1jeuxbortAs I see it, by far the number one reason the Raiders have been snubbed of HOF recognition is the Godfather of “RaiderNation” himself, the late Al Davis and his endless feud with the league. Even his own HOF call was unjustly delayed. It goes back to the AFL/NFL battles for elite college players in the 1960s. If one listened to Davis, he beat the NFL every time, which is grossly misleading. He did win the legal battle to move to Los Angeles, which only added to the organization’s rebel image. As the Cowboys were marketed as America’s team, the Raiders were the team of the counter-culture. Even after the rapper Ice Cube uttered the line, “Stop givin’ juice to the Raiders Cause Al Davis never paid us”, he also admitted to how influential the team was on the Los Angeles based hip hop group NWA.

But Davis also engaged in a lot of frivolous litigation, such as suing to keep marketing rights in Los Angeles after the team had already returned to Oakland. Most of that stuff never saw the inside of a court and was summarily dismissed. This infuriated blue blood owners to include the Rooneys of Pittsburgh. Al Davis could also be petty as was clear with his feud with future HOF running back Marcus Allen.

But I suspect the die had been cast long before this. NFL ownership is the most exclusive sports club in the world and admittance to such comes with the understanding that you will go along with the program. The forces of the 1970 NFL/AFL merger got Davis admitted. Had the owners been able to vote on him alone, I suspect he would not have been accepted. He just was not “their kind of people”. He grew up a Brooklyn Dodgers fan and often envisioned his team as an NFL version of the groundbreaking organization that broke baseball’s color barrier. He was never the “go along to get along” type and for that and the cumulation of all else mentioned, his players have paid in the form of HOF snubs.

It’s time that it stopped.

Next year, to commemorate the 100th year anniversary of the NFL, the HOF class will be expanded to as many as 20. Let’s hope some long overdue and deserving Raiders get the nod. Even the Hatfields and McCoys called a truce. Surely the ghost of Al Davis, the Raiders, and HOF voters can do the same.

 

Gus Griffin, for War Room Sports

The Economics of Playing NFL QB

Tuesday, March 15th, 2016

by Gus Griffin

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Brock Osweiler is introduced in Houston (Image via WashingtonPost.com)

Brock Osweiler is introduced in Houston
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Does Brock Osweiler, on the basis of 7 starts, deserve the $72 million ($37 million guaranteed) that he has coming to him?

Of course he does, if some idiot is willing to pay him.  That is what the market is willing to bare.  What a team is willing to pay and what can be justified by on the field performance have never been completely in line.

Keep in mind that we are not talking about some billionaire owner being subsidized by taxpayer dollars to build a stadium, largely with seasonal workers and jobs with no benefits.  We are talking about a guy playing a game, largely financed by our voluntary viewership and patronage for a league that has made it blatantly clear that it could not care less about the health of its players after they are done.

He would be the idiot not to get every dime he could get and only those with a poor understanding of the economics of playing NFL QB are unclear about this.

What are those economics?  Think of it this way: there are 32 NFL teams.  If we evaluated the performance at starting QB with a letter grade, I can only come up with 17 that could clearly be graded as at least a “B.”  I am excluding rookies and first year starters in Tennessee, Tampa, and Washington, even if they are trending upward, due to the cautionary tale of RG3.  Simply put, their sample is too small to make a final assessment.  But even if they pan out, that still leaves 12 teams with a significant need of an upgrade at QB.  The irony of it all is that 3 of those 12 (Vikings, Texans, and Broncos) made the playoffs last year, to include the eventual champs.

Bottom line is that there are more NFL Teams than there are high quality QBs.  This produces an odd economic reality which allows the unproven and proven pedestrians, in terms of performance, to make out like bandits……..and we should not blame them for exploiting a situation reinforced by the false narrative that a team must have an upper-echelon QB to win the Super Bowl.

History shows that a dominant defense is a better predictor of winning the Super Bowl than an upper-echelon QB.  Consider this, of the 50 Super Bowls, the losing QB in nearly half of them (23) are either hall of famers or league MVPs.  Eighteen of them split between Elway, Tarkenton, Kelly, Staubach, Warner, Manning, and Brady lost more than one.  Compare that to this list of single SB starters to include Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Phil Simms, and Jim McMahon.  Their Super Bowl record was 6-0.  The common denominator was dominant defense.

I submit that as long as the false narrative of needing elite QB play is more prevalent than the reality, which is that there simply are not 32 dudes on this planet that can play NFL QB at an elite level, about a 3rd of the league will continue to chase that which simply does not exist in a quantity large enough to meet the demand.

Smart economics would stop going for the home run at QB and instead load up on defensive talent.

 

Gus Griffin, for War Room Sports

The Official Reading Between The Seams 2014 Hall of Fame Vote

Wednesday, January 8th, 2014

LeRoy McConnell III & the RBTS Crew

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The writers of our own blog Reading Between the Seams embarked on the opportunity to evaluate this year’s deep Hall of Fame ballot and see if our thoughts might be an indicator for the final results (to be released on Wednesday, January 8).  With our sample size of six voters, it takes five to meet the Hall’s 75% necessary for election.  A sample of four (with three positive votes) would have played  to the right percentage, but a larger sample size is probably appropriate given the persnickety history of Baseball Writers Association of America (BBWAA) voters.  Our Hall of Fame writing cast had differing opinions on supposed PED users, but came to a consensus that could very well match the BBWAA results.

As for the voting mechanics, all bloggers submitted a private ballot without influence.  Once totaled, a brief group discussion took place on our private Facebook page, with a focus on those who didn’t vote for the more popular candidates (which we’ll include in the discussion below).  Without further ado…

The elected:

Greg Maddux (100%)

Credit: AP/Jeff Roberson

We vote in Maddux at 100%, he’ll be in for sure
Credit: AP/Jeff Roberson

The question for Maddux isn’t if, but by how much.  With 355 wins, an ERA just over 3.00 in a strong hitters era, no ties whatsoever to PEDs (I mean just look at him), “The Professor” is a shoe in.  Some rumors are “unanimous”, however if Stan Musial isn’t named on 23 ballots his first year, and Cy Younghad to wait two years to get in, it won’t quite be that way.

Craig Biggio (100%)

Biggio with 3000 hits will get in eventually, probably this year Credit: AP Photo/Tony Dejak

Biggio with 3000 hits will get in eventually, probably this year
Credit: AP Photo/Tony Dejak

Biggio only needs a bump of 7% over last year’s results and is likely to get it, given the first ballot avoidance given by some writers.  With 3,000 hits, he’s in for sure eventually. His total will probably be more like 80% when the dust settles.

Tom Glavine (83%)

Glavine and his 305 wins gets in on our ballot Credit: AP

Glavine and his 305 wins gets in on our ballot
Credit: AP

Glavine accumulated 305 wins and a 3.54 ERA, both worthy.  Only one voter did not put in Tom Glavine, and interestingly enough, he did cast a vote for Mike Mussina. Mussina has a better winning percentage and his ERA is about even given the AL/NL DH factor. However, enough voters put in the lefty, we expect Glavine to be voted in by the BBWAA as well.

Frank Thomas (83%)

Nobody on the blog penalized Frank Thomas for being a DH Credit: AP

Nobody on the blog penalized Frank Thomas for being a DH
Credit: AP

Thomas is the headline new hitter on the ballot for sure.  With over 500 HR and as an ardent critic of PED users, he’s legit.  A .301 average, and he reached base over 4,100 times with walks.  The only non-voter thought he was close, but didn’t think first ballot worthy in lieu of the huge power numbers of his era.

Missed it by that much, these candidates were one vote shy of election:

Jeff Bagwell (67%)

Bagwell's defense is probably being overlooked by HoF voters Credit: AP

Bagwell’s defense is probably being overlooked by HoF voters
Credit: AP

Bagwell remains an enigma. He has a few detractors who believe he might have used PEDs.  Others question straight up whether his numbers are good enough.  At 59.6% on the BBWAA ballots last year, he won’t make the leap to 75% and will probably fall short of our 67% tally.  One voter who didn’t put him in thought he was just short on career numbers, below 450 HR, below .300 average, and below 2,500 hits.  The other non-voter thought McGriff deserves in first based upon HR total. Both fair judgment, neither cited PEDs.

Roger Clemens (67%)

Too many PED questions doomed Clemens on our ballot Credit: AP

Too many PED questions doomed Clemens on our ballot
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Clemens was by far the biggest lightning rod for discussion after the votes were tallied.  Two bloggers did not vote him in.  One stated:

I have trouble voting for a guy who won 11 games or fewer per season from the age of 29 to 33, then “suddenly” captured youth and dominated again from his mid to late 30′s onward (162 wins after that). With the PED evidence, I have too many questions.

the other stated:

I like Clemens unfortunately, since he was linked to PEDs they would all [steroid users] have to be in.

No question, with 350 wins and an ERA better than Maddux, he’s just as qualified.  Much like the real BBWAA voters, enough of our electorate will not put in PED users.

Others getting votes:
Tim Raines 50%
Edgar Martinez 50%
Barry Bonds 50%
Larry Walker 33%
Lee Smith 33%
Mike Piazza 33%
Jeff Kent 33%
Mike Mussina 33%
Fred McGriff 33%
Don Mattingly 17%
Mark McGwire 17%
Jack Morris 17%

Noteworthy who did not get votes: Curt Schilling, Alan Trammell, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro, Luis Gonzalez, and Moises Alou.

I believe that plus or minus one, this vote will be who really gets in. Frank Thomas may suffer first ballot jitters, Jack Morris may get last ballot sympathy (at 67.7% last year).  Nobody below the Bagwell line (<60%) will get in including Bagwell.  The next best first ballot guys after Thomas are Jeff Kent, Moises Alou, and Luis Gonzalez, none are clear cut.

Thanks to the guys for pulling this together, I think we are smarter than we get credit for!

– RBTS Staff

 

LeRoy McConnell III & the Staff of Reading Between the Seams

Ray Lewis and Brian Dawkins Aren’t Cool: Love, Passion, Honor, and the Game of Football

Friday, October 28th, 2011

By Bradley Anderson

…And that is what makes them arguably top 10 greatest football players on the defensive side of the ball to ever play the game.  A number of professional athletes succumb to a “Joe Cool” attitude about the game they play for millions of dollars.  Years of being given preferential treatment, being celebrated for jumping high, running fast, throwing hard, catching well, and hitting have led them to a sense of self entitlement and arrogance that waters down their passion (if they ever had that passion to begin with).  The professional athlete has become so desensitized to the fans’ perspective and feelings, so detached from the reality of them playing a beautiful game, not for the money, but for the love, not to make it onto Sportscenter, but to be the very best they can possibly be.  Not to extend the contract but to create a bond of brotherhood amongst teammates.  These athletes enjoy the ancillary benefits of the lifestyle more so than the game.  Oh sure, they do a United Way charity event or two.  Why not?…tax break and good publicity for brand imaging.  But do they really understand the lessons and character conveyed to an onlooker by them being impassioned and taking pride in their every breath?  Do they understand that, yes it’s a child’s game that you make millions for, but it’s also the platform for the world to judge and learn from your every action.  Should you be a role-model?…NO.   Are you a role model?…YES.  The ideal and the reality, the reality and the perception.  Ray Lewis and Brian Dawkins are examples of players who appreciate every breath of life God gives them.  Every opportunity to put the pads on and play a child’s game.  Though they are vocal leaders, their actions speak the resounding volumes of their character, willing to follow as much as lead.  There is a story of Ray Lewis bringing water to his teammates during practice…a 12 or 13 year veteran at the time, bringing water…no ego…just a desire to build the bonds of brotherhood a sports team needs to be successful.

These two players have the happiness, joy, passion, intensity, and love of a 1st year walk-on in college, decades into Hall of Fame careers.

Ray: 216 games played, 215 started, 1492 tackles made, 18 forced fumbles, 19 fumble recoveries, 40.5 sacks, 31 INTs, 3TDs. 

“Dawk”: 216 games played, 215 games started, 892 tackles, 35 forced fumbles, 19 fumble recoveries, 25 sacks, 37 INTs, 2TDs.

They’re going to the Hall folks.  They are arguably two of the greatest at their respective positions.  I hope we all can learn to be as passionate and loving about life and our pursuits as these two dudes.  No “Joe Cool” ego.  Just love of life and the game. 

Bradley “B. Austin” Anderson of The War Room, for War Room Sports

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